Saturday, January 31, 2015

the doctrine as it was given from the beginning. conversations i'm pasting and learning from.

"When you begin to question two thousand years of [church] tradition, you can expect others to be threatened and try to discourage you. They will misinterpret your frustration as bitterness and accuse you of being selfish. They will discount your hungers by saying that we can’t expect the church to be perfect when it is filled with broken humanity." -Wayne Jacobsen
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  • James Paul "No church is perfect" is a pious-sounding excuse any church leader can conveniently wield when defending unbiblical practices rooted in tradition. "You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men." - Jesus (Mark 7:8) (Cartoon by David Hayward) (http://goo.gl/2grIov)
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  • Katie Haney Word.
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  • Katie Haney Here is what I have learned: As long as little bit of truth is sprinkled in, it can be hard to argue this point. OF COURSE no "church" is perfect. OF COURSE it is made up of imperfect people. But how much room for "imperfection" (sin) are we leaving when the structure and tradition is not modeled after what our perfect Savior has already shown us?
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  • Gary Dobbins still enjoying that book (yes, I go through books verrrry slowly)
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  • Bobby Auner This book is on my "wish list"
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  • Clint Garman Gatherings of saints is great - doing church sometimes gets in the way of being the church - the paradigm needs to shift and change - we have set it up to do a group once a week, meet on Sunday's for an hour and all is good supposedly - what about the other 166 hours? Perfection shouldn't be expects from those of us who fall short daily - more to share shortly
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  • Darryl Deville what book is this from?
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  • James Paul Bobby - Let's put it on your already "read" list. I want to buy it for you. Shoot me your address in a private message & you'll have it by Wednesday! 
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  • James Paul First comment, Darryl.
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  • Darryl Deville ok. the 1st few were hidden from me. have u ever read pagan Christianity by frank viola?
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  • James Paul Tim - While I agree with the sentiment of your comment, in the context of this post I find it unhelpful. Honest, loving critiques of unbiblical church practices, rooted in tradition, are often defended with accusations of bitterness. When those in power use their influence to silence prophetic insight and correction, everyone loses. Bitterness is a sin, one of many.
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  • Darryl Deville james paul I have definitely been thru that same kind of experience. I just left the building in april. kinda lonely, but we meet with another couple in our home and hope it grows. its really cool. I never want to go back to the building.
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  • Melissa Anderson Landers Jesus' doctrine must triumph over broken humanity, maybe humanity would not be so broken if it had not been changed by man's tradition
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  • Melissa Anderson Landers there actually is a perfect church 1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
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  • Melissa Anderson Landers if we weren't all sitting around under wolves we would be able to keep His word, therefore we are all unperfect. it's all so simple.
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1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

the fear the wolves put into the flock
causes the whole 'body' to live in torment
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