And my thoughts.
Thank You Tim for making this video.
MY JOURNEY OUT OF CHURCH
into a biblical church
I'll make one if I have too.
I've been on this journey for years.
It would seem.
Many things culminating to today.
To this last year.
Infuriated with the church system of today.
Not fitting in.
It's all been for a reason.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are reasons why a lot of Christians are feeling displaced, unloved and many other adjectives.
These are my notes on a Youtube six part series I'm watching.
I was raised Lutheran. And Spirit Filled in a Assemblies of God Church.
Then went to a Baptist Church, then back to Pentecostal and have never
left.
I have been unable to find a church in North County San Diego,
or even in Kennesaw, GA when I was there that actually mirrors the
New Testament Church.
Realizing that the church today is nothing like what it was and is supposed to be
According to the NT, is an eye-opener and let's me understand that everything I've been disgusted with is perfectly right.
It's because the church is not the Word. It's not THE WAY.
It's not THE SECT OF JESUS.
Many things have placed me in the position I am in tonight.
And that would be seeking other individuals who are also seeking
a Biblical House Church in the Escondido area in California.
And so, as my Forty Ninth year begins, instead of Posting another day about it on Facebook, I'm going to make a way where there seems to be no way.
I was on some groups of organic/house group pages and all people are doing is still just continuing to argue doctrine with their theology. It's mind bending in a way that made me unlike all the groups.
Everyone is talking about , and not doing about.
Or if they are doing, they are in a ton of strife online.
Making their points.
Shaking their fists.
There are other house churches, yes.
But right now I'm just praying about what the Holy Spirit might do
In spite of me.
For me.
For others.
I hope to find friends and an ability to move into the most Biblical home church that can
be imagined, doing the things Jesus did the three years He was on the earth. Nothing less. Christian Comedy Nights , for me and many others, is not where I want to spend my time or energy. I only have so much time on this earth.
These are the videos I just finished watching.
Some basic information about today's unchurch.
I've been in a house church about eight years ago for a brief time in Escondido.
It was short-lived, but the best group of people I've ever encountered.
We went to Washington Park in Escondido and fed the homeless every Sunday, that was our Sunday.
We prayed for them and talked to them.
My kids all went and learned what being a Christian was really all about.
But I stopped going and began going to a very small church where I felt like I fit in, only to realize a few years later what was really going on.
Here are the notes I'm trying to streamline on the videos.
THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH
is not about christian comedy nights
it's not about membership
it's not about unscriptural baby baptisms
it's not about buildings that cost millions
it's not about pastors who extort money with the tithe lie
it's not tithing which is unscriptural it's about giving
it's not about member photos on the walls
it's not about cliques in the church
it's not about special meetings that if you don't attend you can't ever move in the gifts
it's not about hiring special speakers to come and sing to us
it's not about special seating in every service for the leaders and special tribe members
it's not about one man doing all of the talking
it's not all about one man's vision
it's not about being so busy with unscriptural things and traditions that you have no time to minister to the sick and poor and needy. the widows and orphans and elderly.
those are my thoughts .
Now on with the video:
The churches GOVERNED THEMSELVES
it's not about membership
it's not about unscriptural baby baptisms
it's not about buildings that cost millions
it's not about pastors who extort money with the tithe lie
it's not tithing which is unscriptural it's about giving
it's not about member photos on the walls
it's not about cliques in the church
it's not about special meetings that if you don't attend you can't ever move in the gifts
it's not about hiring special speakers to come and sing to us
it's not about special seating in every service for the leaders and special tribe members
it's not about one man doing all of the talking
it's not all about one man's vision
it's not about being so busy with unscriptural things and traditions that you have no time to minister to the sick and poor and needy. the widows and orphans and elderly.
those are my thoughts .
Now on with the video:
The churches GOVERNED THEMSELVES
TOGETHER THEY CAME INTO AGREEMENT AS A COLLECTIVE BODY ABOUT WHAT THE LORD WAS SAYING
QUALIFICATIONS OF ELDERS AND DEACONS
1 AND 2 TIMOTHY
TITUS
THERE IS NOT ONE INCIDENT IN THE BOOK OF ACTS
WHERE JUST ONE PERSON , AS A PASTOR.
EVERY NT CHURCH WAS GUIDED BY A NUMBER OF ELDERS.
CHURCHES WERE NUMERICALLY SMALL
THERE WERE LOTS OF THEM
AS OPPOSED TO TODAY
WHERE THERE ARE JUST A FEW
REALLY REALLY LARGE CHURCHES
WHEN THE CHURCH GATHERS, EVERYONE IS FREE TO TAKE PART AS THE HOLY SPIRIT MOVES.
INTERACTIVE
SHARING
SINGING
PERSONAL
INTIMATE
NO BULLETIN
NO PRE-SET AGENDA
V 26 WHEN YOU COME TOGETHER
EACH ONE HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE
PAUL'S PRESCRIPTION IS NOT TO GO TO A ONE MAN SHOW
THE THINGS HE'S WRITING ARE THE LORD'S COMMAND
IS YOUR CHURCH LIKE THIS?
WHY ISN'T IT?
DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO AGAINST IT.
WHEN THEY CAME TOGETHER THEY ATE A MEAL TOGETHER
THE LORD'S SUPPER
THE LORD'S TABLE
THE LOVE FEAST
BREAKING BREAD
THEY WOULD HAVE A LOAF AND A CUP IN COMMON
BUT IT WAS PART OF AN ACTUAL MEAL THAT THEY ATE TOGETHER
THE LORD'S SUPPER
SUPPER
SUPPER
THEY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO
THE APOSTLES' TEACHING
THEY DEVOTED THEMSELVES
THEN TO FELLOWSHIP IN THE BREAKING OF BREAD
AND THEN PRAYER
I COR 11 V 17
PAUL SAID THEIR MEETINGS WERE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD.
....... WHEN YOU COME TOGETHER IT'S NOT THE LORD'S SUPPER YOU EAT..................SOME GO HUNGRY, ANOTHER GET'S DRUNK. DO YOU DESPISE THE CHURCH OF GOD AND HUMILIATE THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING.
paraphrased
WOW, IT'S BECOME OUR OWN SUPPER
I COR .
THE POOR ARE DESPISED AND NEGLECTED
it has become your OWN supper
....................................................wow
this is the church today
THE WAY CHURCHES TODAY DO THE LORD'S SUPPER
IS A LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG WAY FROM THEN
THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN GET DRUNK OFF A TINY SIP OF WINE
OR GET FULL ON A WAFER
...meaning that the Lord's Supper was a meal
Not a wafer and an quarter oz of wine
They met together to eat
OLD COVENANT
TODAY WE TAUGHT PEOPLE
MEET IN A CHURCH BUILDING
GOD TAUGHT THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL TO GO TO A BUILDING.
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO MEET HIM, BUT TWICE IN ACTS
THE SCRIPTURES SAY THAT GOD NO LONGER DWELLS IN TEMPLES
MADE WITH HANDS, ........BUT HIS PEOPLE ARE HIS TEMPLE.
TODAY WE TAUGHT THEM TO HAVE ORDAINED PASTORS.
THE NT SAYS EVERY BELIEVER IS A PRIEST
AND EVERY BELIEVER HAS A MINISTRY
IS ORDAINED TO BEAR FRUIT THAT REMAINS
WOW
THE OLD COVENANT HAD A SPECIAL BUILDING
AND PRIESTHOOD
NEW COVENANT PRIESTHOOD IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT
CLAROS IS / CLERGY IN THE OT
CLAROS IS 'THE WHOLE BODY OF CHRIST' ............IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
WE ARE ALL BRETHREN
EARLY ON IN CHURCH HISTORY
A DISTINCTION CAME ABOUT
BETWEEN THE CLERGY AND LAITY
TO BUILD A WHOLE SYSTEM ON THE CLERGY
IS TOTALLY UNSCRIPTURAL
SQUELCHES THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE BELIEVERS
PAUL CALLED THE ELDERS ,ACTS 20
THEY ARE TO FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE
HE LABORED WITH HIS OWN HANDS TO PROVIDE
FOR HIMSELF AND THOSE WITH HIM
SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN SUSTANCE
TO MINISTER TO THE NEEDY
wow................................so completely backward from today
On Tithing and the curse in Malachi preached today.
The curse of God was for the Jews till Christ.
Christ became a curse for us that we might not be cursed.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law.
Christs' blood inaugurated a New Covenant nullifying the Law of Moses that included the tithe.
Truly to have intimated that Son of God sanctified and perfected forever by the offering of the Body of Jesus Christ, once for all can be subject to the curse of God by failing to keep a point of the Mosaic Law, namely the tithe.
Placing the believers justified by faith through Jesus Christ under the law has a disturbing and troubling influence according to:
Gal 1 v 7 and 5 v 12.
Christs' Blood innagurated a new covenant nullifying the Law of Moses, including the tithe.
Heb ten v 9
Lo I come to do your will o God
He takes away the first
That he may set up the new
The new covenant method of giving is superior
as the tithe was to the old
2 cor 6
even working with his own hands
to prevent others from accusing him of financial gain
people, not things, are the key to all new testament tithing
CHRIST BECAME A CURSE SO WE MIGHT NOT BE CURSED
CHRISTS' BLOOD INAUGURATED A NEW COVENANT
the holy is made common
we are now the temple and the ministers
there is no overhead
no salaries
acts 9
"The Way"
We are THE WAY
DO THE preachers exist for the church
or does the church exist for the preachers
it always comes down to money and power
self interest
ortho praxy
the practice of the new testament church
where there are two or more, there i am in their midst
Hebrews
people gather around a man a preacher
and around his doctrine
then they leave when they are not happy
infant baptism are not in the bible
nor are acolytes
or church members pics up on the wall
we are now in a spectator mode
our gifts are no longer important
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
there is no church membership listed in the nt
there is no 'class' to attend before you can move in the Spirit
.....................................................................................................
formalities. yes. so structured and programs instead of around Christ.
wow , there is no divide between clergy and laity in the bible
but there is in the church today
1 AND 2 TIMOTHY
TITUS
THERE IS NOT ONE INCIDENT IN THE BOOK OF ACTS
WHERE JUST ONE PERSON , AS A PASTOR.
EVERY NT CHURCH WAS GUIDED BY A NUMBER OF ELDERS.
CHURCHES WERE NUMERICALLY SMALL
THERE WERE LOTS OF THEM
AS OPPOSED TO TODAY
WHERE THERE ARE JUST A FEW
REALLY REALLY LARGE CHURCHES
WHEN THE CHURCH GATHERS, EVERYONE IS FREE TO TAKE PART AS THE HOLY SPIRIT MOVES.
INTERACTIVE
SHARING
SINGING
PERSONAL
INTIMATE
NO BULLETIN
NO PRE-SET AGENDA
V 26 WHEN YOU COME TOGETHER
EACH ONE HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE
PAUL'S PRESCRIPTION IS NOT TO GO TO A ONE MAN SHOW
THE THINGS HE'S WRITING ARE THE LORD'S COMMAND
IS YOUR CHURCH LIKE THIS?
WHY ISN'T IT?
DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO AGAINST IT.
WHEN THEY CAME TOGETHER THEY ATE A MEAL TOGETHER
THE LORD'S SUPPER
THE LORD'S TABLE
THE LOVE FEAST
BREAKING BREAD
THEY WOULD HAVE A LOAF AND A CUP IN COMMON
BUT IT WAS PART OF AN ACTUAL MEAL THAT THEY ATE TOGETHER
THE LORD'S SUPPER
SUPPER
SUPPER
THEY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO
THE APOSTLES' TEACHING
THEY DEVOTED THEMSELVES
THEN TO FELLOWSHIP IN THE BREAKING OF BREAD
AND THEN PRAYER
I COR 11 V 17
PAUL SAID THEIR MEETINGS WERE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD.
....... WHEN YOU COME TOGETHER IT'S NOT THE LORD'S SUPPER YOU EAT..................SOME GO HUNGRY, ANOTHER GET'S DRUNK. DO YOU DESPISE THE CHURCH OF GOD AND HUMILIATE THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING.
paraphrased
WOW, IT'S BECOME OUR OWN SUPPER
I COR .
THE POOR ARE DESPISED AND NEGLECTED
1 Corinthians 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.
18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.
18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
it has become your OWN supper
....................................................wow
this is the church today
THE WAY CHURCHES TODAY DO THE LORD'S SUPPER
IS A LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG WAY FROM THEN
THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN GET DRUNK OFF A TINY SIP OF WINE
OR GET FULL ON A WAFER
...meaning that the Lord's Supper was a meal
Not a wafer and an quarter oz of wine
They met together to eat
OLD COVENANT
TODAY WE TAUGHT PEOPLE
MEET IN A CHURCH BUILDING
GOD TAUGHT THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL TO GO TO A BUILDING.
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO MEET HIM, BUT TWICE IN ACTS
THE SCRIPTURES SAY THAT GOD NO LONGER DWELLS IN TEMPLES
MADE WITH HANDS, ........BUT HIS PEOPLE ARE HIS TEMPLE.
TODAY WE TAUGHT THEM TO HAVE ORDAINED PASTORS.
THE NT SAYS EVERY BELIEVER IS A PRIEST
AND EVERY BELIEVER HAS A MINISTRY
IS ORDAINED TO BEAR FRUIT THAT REMAINS
WOW
THE OLD COVENANT HAD A SPECIAL BUILDING
AND PRIESTHOOD
NEW COVENANT PRIESTHOOD IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT
CLAROS IS / CLERGY IN THE OT
CLAROS IS 'THE WHOLE BODY OF CHRIST' ............IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
WE ARE ALL BRETHREN
EARLY ON IN CHURCH HISTORY
A DISTINCTION CAME ABOUT
BETWEEN THE CLERGY AND LAITY
TO BUILD A WHOLE SYSTEM ON THE CLERGY
IS TOTALLY UNSCRIPTURAL
SQUELCHES THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE BELIEVERS
PAUL CALLED THE ELDERS ,ACTS 20
THEY ARE TO FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE
HE LABORED WITH HIS OWN HANDS TO PROVIDE
FOR HIMSELF AND THOSE WITH HIM
SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN SUSTANCE
TO MINISTER TO THE NEEDY
wow................................so completely backward from today
On Tithing and the curse in Malachi preached today.
The curse of God was for the Jews till Christ.
Christ became a curse for us that we might not be cursed.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law.
Christs' blood inaugurated a New Covenant nullifying the Law of Moses that included the tithe.
Truly to have intimated that Son of God sanctified and perfected forever by the offering of the Body of Jesus Christ, once for all can be subject to the curse of God by failing to keep a point of the Mosaic Law, namely the tithe.
Placing the believers justified by faith through Jesus Christ under the law has a disturbing and troubling influence according to:
Gal 1 v 7 and 5 v 12.
Christs' Blood innagurated a new covenant nullifying the Law of Moses, including the tithe.
Heb ten v 9
Lo I come to do your will o God
He takes away the first
That he may set up the new
The new covenant method of giving is superior
as the tithe was to the old
2 cor 6
even working with his own hands
to prevent others from accusing him of financial gain
people, not things, are the key to all new testament tithing
CHRIST BECAME A CURSE SO WE MIGHT NOT BE CURSED
CHRISTS' BLOOD INAUGURATED A NEW COVENANT
the holy is made common
we are now the temple and the ministers
there is no overhead
no salaries
acts 9
"The Way"
We are THE WAY
DO THE preachers exist for the church
or does the church exist for the preachers
it always comes down to money and power
self interest
ortho praxy
the practice of the new testament church
where there are two or more, there i am in their midst
Hebrews
people gather around a man a preacher
and around his doctrine
then they leave when they are not happy
infant baptism are not in the bible
nor are acolytes
or church members pics up on the wall
we are now in a spectator mode
our gifts are no longer important
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
there is no church membership listed in the nt
there is no 'class' to attend before you can move in the Spirit
.....................................................................................................
formalities. yes. so structured and programs instead of around Christ.
wow , there is no divide between clergy and laity in the bible
but there is in the church today
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